Just go...

[mrwiseman]

WRT tires: My family uses Michelin as well, but it's legitimate to defend and advertise your country's national products ^_^

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WRT Yugoslavia: (What's so hard about pronouncing Yugoslavia? [img]smile.gif[/img] ) I think all the actions took in Yugoslavia were good, and I support all of the Yugoslavia wars, especially the last one to get rid of that genocidal bastard Milosevic of the Serbian socialist party. Anybody opposing to that war was supporting genocide, way to go.

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WRT left winged bias: Left wing seems to be the the new fad. Nowadays, anybody who speaks some crap about a rapists' human rights, the palestinian cause, legalization of this and that crap, how evil the right wing is because well, it's right wing, it's gotta be evil, and how good communism is working, gets to be famous and admired by a wide sector of the population. I would tell those people, well, go to Cuba or Palestine, enjoy.

I hate how biased they are towards the muslims (when both Israel and Palestine have to blame, only Palestine's ways are savage and barbaric); how they bother to defend murderers and rapists rights while they don't bother to defend the normal people from them; how they criticize the system that allows them to live a first world life; how they bash their own culture while "respecting and tolerating" -praising- anything else; how sickenly politically correct they have to be about anybody except ourselves; how they have to tolerate everything but they don't actually tolerate that there are some people who have morals that don't allow them to tolerate things like drugs or religious fundamentalism like they do; how they think they have the only legitimate ideals; how they praise the goddessdamned systems that screwed the very people they claim to help (workers); how they want to screw the economy with debt; how they want to screw companies who give jobs so they pay more and they work less hours, until they are screwed and bai-bai jobs, then look gov't I'm so poor, gimme gimme gimme everything for free; how they want to destroy individuality; how they want to destroy intimacy; how they want others to have the good stuff you honestly earn every day; how they want to favor slackers; how they want to give away the country to the third world; and how prone they are to corruption; among other things. Phew. I had to say it ^_^.

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[Ogreasy]

The Israelis are the bad guys Wiseman.
The Israelis don't belong in "Israel".
They are invaders.
After WWII all the Holocaust survivors and other people all moved to "Israel" and made a settlement there. They began to take over and be militant and kicked the native Muslims out of their land. Then the US gave weapons to the "Israelis" and they totally took over. The "Israelis" then started on the road to genocide, by getting rid of the Palestinians. The Palestinians then retaliated with the terrorism and fighting.

This is just what the Native Americans did when the European settlers settled. At first the Native Americans welcomed them, but when the Europeans started kicking them off their land and burning their villages the Native Americans responded. The Native Americans came and burnt European settlements and went on suicide missions to avenge their dead family members. Do you think the Indians should just accept that they are conquered and let their culture be destroyed and be wiped out? Do you think the Palestinians should stop fighting for their land?

Of course, the Palestinians are bad too. But I'd fathom the Israelis are worse. The Israelis are militant and agressive in their polciies against Palestinians, Almost Jewish Nazis if you will.

Neither of the sides are in the right, but I like to side with the people were there first.
And Wiseman, you of all people would acknwoledge that the "promised land" thing is a myth made by the lambs.

Man, I'm gonna get flamed for all this stuff.. Well I'm up for it!

[mrwiseman]

The Israelis are the bad guys Wiseman.

LMAO, "good guys", "bad guys"; those guys kill each other as if it were UT2K4; no good guys and bad guys. It's terribly unfair that you blame Israel alone. Those bastard palestinian terrorists kill themselves in a school bus, and you say they are the "good guys"? Ha! Give me a break.


The Israelis don't belong in "Israel".
They are invaders.

Sorry, but this is bull fucking shit, and this is an award-winning, extra quality one. That land is as theirs as it's islamic, as both cultures were there for hundreds of years. And even if it weren't the case (which it IS), that's like saying, go away from your home because North America belongs to the indians and you're invading it OMG etc.


Do you think the Indians should just accept that they are conquered and let their culture be destroyed and be wiped out?

Back then, it was a matter of strength. Both indians and Europeans were human. Both were human for the same thousands of years. Both had similar quality brains. And indians had more resources. But Europe developed, and the indians didn't. Europe took over their land just like the indians could have done to Europe before, only they weren't as clever for some reason. And it's not that you have to go conquering others' lands like your ass burnt. Look at China. Europe didn't take over it, because they went there, and found an equally good culture it's not good messing with. And they remained peaceful. That's the case; all had equal opportunities as humans with the same theoretical intelligence (and Europe even had less natural resources than others); some cultures were smart to took advantage of their opportunities, and developed. The developed ones succeeded, the undeveloped ones didn't. But we don't have to blame for anything. And even if we were at fault (which I think we are not), that was our ancestors' thing, not ours. We weren't alive back then, and Sonic the Hedgehog didn't exist, so it's non of our business.


Do you think the Palestinians should stop fighting for their land?

The israelis suck at fighting sometimes (not fighting power, but the way they fight), but the palestinian suck even more. Given the current circumstances, I'd rather have Israel, but, as I said, I can see it's not a matter of goody-good guys and baddy-bad guys, but a matter of suckers and fuckers.


The Israelis are militant and agressive in their polciies against Palestinians

No shit? And what are the palestinians when they go and kill innocents, old and young, male and female, that aren't even soldiers and have nothing to do with the fighting? Fancy-colored cherubs?


And Wiseman, you of all people would acknwoledge that the "promised land" thing is a myth made by the lambs.

There IS historic evidence that they lived there.

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[Ogreasy]

Yeah, I agree with "suckers and fuckers" that about sums it up.

You think the Native Americans deserved to be conquered bevause they didn't try to conquer Europe?

The reason the Native Americans went down so easy is that instead of warring amongst themselves(whcih they did do) they developed a deep culture and became experts at their lives. They were living the human dream for the most part.

I don't know, its all grey to me...
They are both bad guys.
Fuck the lot of them.
Man, now i'm really depressed thinking bout human nature.

[mrwiseman]

IRT CBA:

You think the Native Americans deserved to be conquered bevause they didn't try to conquer Europe?

It's not that they "deserved to be conquered", but I can't blame my ancestors either. It was just a matter of preparation, and what do you do with your opportunities and intelligence (which, I insist, the indians must have had the same, scientists haven't noticed a difference between races, so they had it to be just as smart but for some reason they weren't). I would think the same if they had been more advanced than Europe and had taken over Europe centuries before 1492. It's like there's a Benjamin lying on the ground. The first person who is good enough to see it, will get it.


The reason the Native Americans went down so easy is that instead of warring amongst themselves(whcih they did do) they developed a deep culture and became experts at their lives. They were living the human dream for the most part.

They didn't have "fire sticks" and "magic balls" like the Europeans did. If they were that advanced, why didn't they have any defense systems? Why didn't they have huge, epic buildings with such refined masterpieces of art inside that easily take hundreds of years to complete? Why didn't they travel freely around the world? Why didn't they have a complex writing system with hundreds of history and thousands of books available? That's not an advanced culture to my standard. I'll just refer to my Benjamin example, the first one gets it.

BTW, they did have wars, and they were just as brutal or more than Europe ever was. For example, some of them would hang their past opponents skulls of their horse for social status, and there was this football-basketball hybrid game they had, only they played with somebody's head and they really gave all for it, because losers get killed.

Another BTW, I do not support what Europe did to those cultures, though. I don't think it was a good idea to exterminate them; first, because they could have been converted to European citizens without losing everything and living with the emigrant Europeans; second, because they did have some valuable things in some places; for example, there was this interesting culture in Peru which had great skills for building and planning, and they had done some observations of the stars; it would have been interesting to know if they had found something we didn't know back then. Anyways, blame it on the church; religion, that's the reason why they went and wiped those cultures out.

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[Ogreasy]

In America theres not the stuff to make fire sticks just lying around on the ground.
Well, I guess there isn't the stuff to make fire sticks lying around in europe either, but thats besides the point. I mean, where do you go to find "saltpeter"?? Anyone have any clue? I sure as hell don't, and don't be smart and say "the chemical store". Kekeke, I kid.

Yeah, I suppose the Benjamin idea sort of fits.
But its so mean... the native Americans didn't deserve what happened to them, MOST of them were very peaceful and never engaged in any kind of warmaking. They were hunters and farmers who revered nature and held a respect for things of that nature(haha. terrible pun, sorry)
I like them.

[Xellos]

The world isn't az boring happy land where noone conquers anyone... if it were, we'd still all be barbarians.

[Ogreasy]

I like boring happy lands where noone conquers anyone.
But yeah, we did learn a hell of a lot of crap from our conquests.

[One Classy Bloke]

Let me suggest something to you. Britain and the US decide to invade Spain. What would you do? Welcome us with open arms, or defend the land you were born on. What if it was a collection of Islamic countries?

America is built on stolen land. Luckly, the Indians don't seem to mind anymore. But it's understandable that when people are invading you, you resist them.

WRT Communism: It's a nice idea. But it doesn't work. It's because people are individualistic, as Wiseman said. For Communism to work, everyone needs to pull the same work. People need to work like ants.

WRT home bashing: It's because people feel they have a voice in first class lands. Third class, you either won't get heard, or you'll be killed.

WRT State benefits: I hate people who just say "give me money bitch" like they deserve it for being lazy. They really need a job, best way is to let them starve a bit.

BTW Wiseman, don't be surprised. I think everyone needs a job. Being lazy is saved for school and when robots have taken over all the work we do. I still support free health care and education, but giving people money for nothing, no way.

[Xellos]

I don't like boring happy land, it's boring [img]tongue.gif[/img] At times, conflict is needed. In boring happy land, if one country were under the strict control of a corrupted government, which wasn't doing things well, then things'd stay that way.